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Post by slizziechan on Feb 9, 2005 16:42:17 GMT -5
I've read that book It was a fast read, and it didn't really stick out in my memory that much.
But when you said it, that who story came back.
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Post by sheepichan on Feb 21, 2005 22:47:08 GMT -5
Uhm
=O I never knew an original story could be a Mary-Sue... I always assumed they only existed in fan-fictions...
^^; I may actually go searching for this book just to see a good example... maybe learn from it so I don't make the same mistakes...
Thank you very much for the heads up Ms. Blood_Debt!
Ja!
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Post by sexysayainsakura on Mar 14, 2005 2:53:27 GMT -5
Konnichiwa minna-san! I'm a newbie to this forum but I have been at ff.net for a while now.
Anyways I have to admit I am writting a marry-sue but my character is anything but perfect she is a sadistic cold hearted masochist. She has flaws both physically and mentally and is far from being the strongest. And I don't plan on the other's likeing her very much either I plan on making her a loner. But I am trying to make my fic good and not the common marry-sue save me I am perfect fangirl type thing and would appriciate any advise you guys can give me I can handle flames to.
I also have to admit tho that mary-sue's are sometimes required in some animes if you want to right a romance about your favorite character. Take Dbz for instance I honestly don't see Piccolo (Whom I love!) with any of the Dbz girls they are all either married or ditsy. Same with Final Fantasy X I know a popular pairing is Auron/Rikku but I find it to close to being a pedo fic all the other characters I think are to good with their paired partner in the actual story line so I could see how a oc would be useful. I think they can be good if written well and the characters aren't perfect flawless goddesses or god's that everyone loves but realistic with actual flaws and personality glinches that need to be sorted out.
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Post by Me-Nuriko on Mar 14, 2005 3:50:40 GMT -5
Welcome to this board SexySayainSakura! I'm sure you will have a good time here. Um? I'm not sure if I understood you correctly. It sounds like you confuse OFCs (original female character) with Mary Sues. They are not the same thing, you know. Read all the posts in this thread and you'll find out what I mean. But I might have misinterpreted what you meant.
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Post by elven dreamer on Mar 14, 2005 4:30:11 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. There is a big difference. Trust me on this.
I thought I was making OFCs (Original Female Characters) and they turned out to be a far deadlier breed - Mary Sues. Trust me, they are not pretty, (well, they are, but that's beside the point) and your character doesn't sound like a M-S.
Also you don't need a Mary Sue. Nobody -ever- needs one. For DBZ you sound like you need an OFC. The trouble with writing a OFC romance is, they often end up quite Mary-Sue-ish. That's why I avoid them.
Oh, and welcome to the board. Enjoy your stay. ;D
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Post by Konnichiwa minnasan on Mar 15, 2005 4:33:37 GMT -5
Ty I just recently discovered they had a ff board..*Sweatdrops* Nearly been a member a year and I didn't know about this until now.
Anyway you maybe right I wasn't certain if she was ofc material so I just decided to take a safe guess and call her a marry-sue but yeah I think you maybe right for one I despise the happy go lucky weak stereotype crybaby anime girls or the common mary-sue type girls for one I am a very tough natured loner type person myself. I have never been one to cry (even when I set my own broken ankle) and I hate crybabies so I made Sakura (That's my character like my sn) a very tough natured wild type woman.
She is good with animals but only because she lived amoung them so long she never has had much human contact and the few times she did were bad experiances. She isn't one to socailize and is a total masochist she'll take a beating and just laugh about it. She is cynical sadistic and downright bitchy she gets into people's heads and can be very ill tounged when someone tries to befriend her. In my fic she isn't well liked in fact most of the dbz character's dislike her greatly Goku being the good natured person he is is the only one who tolerates her attitude. She is far from being the strongest Piccolo and Goku out class her in everyway in the begining. She doesn't have perfect beauty she has a good sized scar and focus's more on being a warrior than a beauty.
Basically that's my character a lot of people have had issue's with her name tho because it is so common but I chose it for many reason's one because I LOVE the cherry blossom's and two because I think it suits her. Anyways what do you think she sound to corney??
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Post by sexysayainsakura on Mar 15, 2005 4:37:11 GMT -5
*Blushes* I can't believe I just did that ..umm sorry I didn't realize I wasn't logged in I can be so stupid sometimes I swear anyways umm Gomen nasai!!
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2005 6:17:03 GMT -5
(I just wanted to point out that this board has nothing to do with the guys & girls at fanfiction.net! We all here are just authors and readers, and this board is privately organized.)
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Post by alkannonien on Apr 9, 2005 4:53:22 GMT -5
Another really good example of a Mary-Sue/Bordering-On-Mary-Sue book is "The Prophecy of the Stones" by Flavia Bujor. If anyone has read and loved that book, no offense, but I was very surprised that it got published in the first place. The plot is potentially interesting but there's a lot of room for improvement. It's about three girls named Jade, Opal and Amber who are all beautiful in one way or another. Of course they're all part of a prophecy and each have a magical stone, and they "must learn to trust one another with their lives as they embark on an epic journey". And of course each of them is different in their own "unique" way. There's the cold, supposedly emotionless girl with an unhappy childhood (Opal), the spoiled rich girl (Jade), and of course the sweet innocent country girl whose mother has died some sickness, and she always tries to get the other two to get along (Amber). And at some point Opal falls in love with an equally handsome boy. I actually don't remember anything else about the story, since I literally fell asleep reading it and haven't touched it since.
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Post by alkannonien on Apr 9, 2005 5:09:27 GMT -5
Oh yeah, how stupid, I got so worked up about that book that I forgot to introduce myself! ^_^; Hi everyone, I'm alkannonien, but my name on Fanfiction.net is Silver on the Tree. I'm pretty guilty of writing Mary-Sues myself, but I'm still shocked that books overflowing with Mary-Sues have actually been published. I also have the feeling my latest fanfic is bordering on becoming a Mary-Sue one...I tried to make my character as imperfect as possible but somehow she still strikes me as one. If you guys could read it (it's called "To Live or Not To Live") and suggest how I could make my character less Mary-Sue-like, I'd really really appreciate it!
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Post by Blood_Debt on Apr 9, 2005 16:47:15 GMT -5
I think that the Prophecy of the Gems mainly got published because a fourteen-year-old wrote it. I remember that there was a lot of hype about it. Bad reviews, though.
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Post by Jamie on Jul 12, 2005 16:39:34 GMT -5
You know, I mostly write fics with original characters in them. I try to make them NOT seem perfect as much as I can, but people still yell at me for writing a 'Mary-Sue'. *Rolls her eyes* I try to make them IMperfect, but people still think I made this perfect little girl. For pete's sake, you just can't win with some people. I don't do Mary-sues. They're stupid. I do OFC's and SI's. Why is it so hard to tell the difference? People seem to automatically think of female original characters as Mary-sues.
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Post by kanshu on Jul 15, 2005 6:42:31 GMT -5
Well, a lot of people are brainwashed into thinking that all lovers of an established character are by defintion a Mary Sue (pretty much like thinking that two guys can't hug and love each other without being lovers). That's just not true. However, if you have a lot of people complaining, then you might chrck your characterization and plot. I think that a good way to determine wether or not your original characters are Sues is by looking at how much the story revolves around them. Who is the star of your story? The girl, or whoever she's in love with? As for Self insertions, those can't be Sues by definition, so just ignore them.
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Post by River Rain on Jul 26, 2005 18:57:15 GMT -5
Hello Everyone. I just needed to let this out, I felt this forum the best place to. I'm hoping to post some fics of mine on ff.net real soon (I need a beta with MUCH patience ). Anyways, I personally dislike Mary sue's with a passion scares me sometimes. A while back I found a site with a very mary sue like self insertation( Is there such a thing..?) fic on Inuyasha (obvious). The girl is a hanyou with a troubled past, describes herself in vivid detail and all that jazz. Inuyasha instantly falls in love and Kagome is suddenly the evil wicked witch of the west bent on making the girl's life a living hell. Sad Self Insertation. Anyways, what REALLY scared me is that this fic actulley had ALOT of reviews. I just don't understand anymore! Maybe I'm evil. Oh well, it bugged me to death. Mary sue books? My mother has ALOT of those. Mostly about a woman of irish or english decent with beauty and determination, yet she finds herself in the bed of a rugged, hansdome lone stranger. Yes, she has many of them. Thanks for your time on my useless ramble, hope I didn't annoy anyone.
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Post by OptiMoose not logged in on Jul 26, 2005 23:24:24 GMT -5
Welcome to the crazy place! First of all, having a lot of reviews doesn't neccessarily mean you are reading a quality story. Sometimes, that author just has a ton of buddies, who would look bad no leaving a review. As for that particular fic: This can't have been a self-insertion, unless you honestly believe that in our reality, hanyou really do exist. This seems to be a case where the author has assumed the identity of her Sue, rather than only writing her. In my opinion, that should make her go to tears if there's even the slightest hint of negative feedback, because she's bound to take every criticism as a personal attack to 'herself'. There's a line between the basic character of a romantic heroine, and what you generally see as a Sue. Keep in mind that the romantic heroine is meant for the reader to 'slip into her'. Serious faults in a character would make that 'escape' difficult. Like, when you want to read a happy, fluffy love novel, you want drama, you want to pity your heroine (like, how often is that character poor, or was treated badly?) and after many problems are mastered, they live happily ever after. Naturally, that leads to a certain formula for a character; i.e. if you have mass products like weekly novels (dime-books). However, that doesn't mean that the character is a Sue. First of all, the most important mark of a Sue is missing - the intense relationship the character has with the author. Secondly, the romatic heroine is good and can do a lot of things, but she isn't perfect. She might be formalic, but she always will remain average in most fields, and she'll never steal the hero's show unless it's a neccessary plot device. At least, that's how it should be with most romantic novels..
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