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Post by Languish-Dreams on Jul 20, 2005 18:08:24 GMT -5
I guess I was just trying to say that the story isn't taking place in the future. It takes place during the anime. Of which Homura is apart. That is why Homura is in it in the first place. The story is meant to follow the anime through all 50 episodes with the deviation of ST being a conscious being within Goku. It's like adding a subplot of joining ST with Goku during the anime and the consequences that would follow to Homura etc if that had been a part of the storyline.
But now I'm seriously considering scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch. The story must not have been getting that across and I know I can do better than that.
I think perhaps I bit off more than I could chew with this story honestly. It'll be relatively easy to keep the story as is up until a point. After that I'll need a new plot to work with. Hmm...
I don't know what to do with this story. Opinions?
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Post by Terra Fire on Jul 22, 2005 11:49:09 GMT -5
Sorry LD, I didn't mean it that way . I think that there's no way that you can have this story with out Homura. Yes, it does fallow the canon. What I'm saying is that, generaly speaking, if you have a "what if...", or "would/could be..." story, it more than likely an AU, or slitghtly AU. Though, that is not always the case, because it could be an AEnding story to the canon. I know that there is no way that this story could take place after Homura's death, the story would just be pointless then. But the point is that Homura is alive, and none (most) of this never took place during the canon, no matter what way you put it. Anyway, I have to go now. Just dropped in to give a piece of mind. ;} ~VGT~
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Post by LD logged out on Jul 23, 2005 3:37:59 GMT -5
*L* No, no. I think I know what's confusing me now. I think my definition of AU is a bit different. I see an AU as like "Surviving". A totally different setting or time period. I see 'what if' stories as just that, 'what if' (unless you're doing something like, 'what if the Saiyuki characters were in high school, that's an AU). I consider them totally different things. Otherwise, anything you write IS an AU, unless you just copy canon exactly. But then you're not telling a new story, just plagarizing. More or less, "Of a Place Long Ago" is an AEnding to canon. There! *L* That one word finally got what I was trying to say. Okay, my brain is better now. heheh
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Post by Terra too lazy to login on Jul 25, 2005 1:01:20 GMT -5
True, AU does mean "Saiyuki in a high school!" type stuff but it can also mean "What if Koumyou Sanzo had never died?" (I believe one or the other is "really" called Alternate Reality or AR but I can't remember which gets that title. I personally call them both AU.)
My main question is why do you need Homura for the plot to work? Why does ST have to come out during the second season?
Because as I read, I truly forgot that this was taking place in the second season (and actually, the beginning is before the actual show). Until you brought in Homura, I could have gone forever thinking that I was in the future. And, as I've said before, the part played by Homura could have been played by Kougaiji, Kushu minion #45, or an independent OC (and I know you can make a wonderful villain. The "Illusions" trilogy showed us that).
I'd suggest that you consider your reasons for having ST be truly active in the second season and for having Homura be the main villain. Why were these parts of the fic? What are the pros and cons of having it take place then/having that character? True, some scenes may be lost and some things will have to be tweaked but other scenes may arise and the plot might go in an unplanned and fun direction.
Of course, in the end, you may decide that you must absolutely have it take place in the second season and include Homura. Or you may decide to readjust the plot so you can have it be in the future and have a different villain.
So, I guess I disagree with VG Terra: There are ways for the plot to work without Homura and outside of the second season. But I agree with her on the point that if you say Homura is alive and ST is out at the same point, it is AU or AR (whatever it is).
So, just mull the reasons over and decide for yourself since it's your fic what you want to write about.
Terra3
P.S. Speaking of the trilogy, will you ever repost those? Because those were fun as well and I want know what happened with that sword!
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Post by Terra too lazy to login on Jul 25, 2005 1:04:34 GMT -5
I'm also too dumb to live.
I just found your explanation of the reposts. My bad.
Terra3
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Post by LD also lazy on Jul 25, 2005 9:52:58 GMT -5
I suppose a lot of the problems with the story came from my inability to leave this story alone once several people wanted me to continue it. Remembrances in Deep Sleep started things off. That was a one-shot; it was intended to BE just a one-shot. But the idea was popular and my brain started to get active. So I decided to write a background story for that one-shot. That's all Of A Place Long Ago was suppose to be, originally. But I couldn't leave the idea alone and it morphed into this godawful monster of a fic. It's been a big lesson in satisfying reviewer requests balanced against knowing when to stop. Looking back over the story, I realize that everything from chapter 6 on could have never happened and I would have been satisfied. But I didn't want to be satisfied, I wanted the REVEIWERS to be satisfied. And while that's a great thing in itself and something to consider, I was sacrificing my own thoughts and wishes for the direction of this idea in order to make people happy. So more than likely what I'm going to do is this: I will edit chapters 1-5 of 'Of a Place Long Ago', and use them as memory flashbacks to extend Remembrances to a small multi-chaptered piece. It will stop there. That piece will set the background should I decide to continue with the idea. And more than likely I will. Anyone who remembers reading OAPLA, will remember the author's notes in which I pretty much told you every chapter that I had no idea what I was doing. I was just going with the flow. It's something I do in a lot of my stories, and it's just how I write. The entire triology is just like that and, while I haven't scanned through it again, I don't remember there being very many mistakes in that one. I'm still in love with the idea behind OAPLA, but the way I went about it was just all wrong. So I'm going to admit my mistake here, step back, and reconsider what I'm doing. The results will probablly be something completely different, but hopefully worthwhile. It wasn't that I didn't want to do a more complex story, it was just the rushed way I came up with a plot and tried to throw it together. I might write on the fly, but I always have a freaking plot completed in my head before I post a story. This was the only story that I didn't. And now I know the problems in doing that. *L* So that's what I'm doing. It's weird to scrap a whole plot like that, since I did eventually come up with a loose form of one by chapter 10, but that's the way it is sometimes. ;D Thanks for talking this out with me everyone. The different povs helped a great deal. So while you'll never see OAPLA as it was originally, with any luck I'll be able to give you something much, much better.
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Post by narrizan on Jul 25, 2005 10:23:24 GMT -5
I'm still in love with the idea behind OAPLA, but the way I went about it was just all wrong. So I'm going to admit my mistake here, step back, and reconsider what I'm doing. The results will probablly be something completely different, but hopefully worthwhile. It wasn't that I didn't want to do a more complex story, it was just the rushed way I came up with a plot and tried to throw it together. I might write on the fly, but I always have a freaking plot completed in my head before I post a story. This was the only story that I didn't. And now I know the problems in doing that. *L* Thanks for talking this out with me everyone. The different povs helped a great deal. So while you'll never see OAPLA as it was originally, with any luck I'll be able to give you something much, much better. We are in love with it too , however, it is your baby, and if at the end of the day you're not happy with it then it would make writing a chore, and I certainly for one wouldn't want your talent to get all stifled up like that! And stepping back and taking a good long look at it whilst and having fresh tack at it is probably a good idea. I'm all for it. ;D And certainly now you have peaked(piqued ) my interest in what you will come up with, so i'm here still with the TG's and the Green tea buns. love muchly - zan
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Post by Terra still too lazy to login on Jul 26, 2005 1:05:47 GMT -5
And stepping away from it might be just the thing the idea needs. Either way, it'll be good. If you step away and never go back, the goodness is still there (since you mentioned uploading Ch. 1-5 again). If you step away and think of something else, the story goes on, better than before. Everyone wins!
Sort of off-topic but I want to commend you on being so very mature and reasonable despite all my whining, nagging, and second-guessing. I read "fanficrants" lj community and one of the biggest complaints there is writers who can not take constructive criticism gracefully. I was very pleased that I could honestly give concrit and have it taken well. I always find it a thrill to find that someone whose work I enjoy is also a very nice person.
Back on-topic, like zan said, we enjoyed the work too and were happy to help out.
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Post by LD logged out on Jul 26, 2005 3:59:34 GMT -5
And stepping away from it might be just the thing the idea needs. Either way, it'll be good. If you step away and never go back, the goodness is still there (since you mentioned uploading Ch. 1-5 again). If you step away and think of something else, the story goes on, better than before. Everyone wins! Sort of off-topic but I want to commend you on being so very mature and reasonable despite all my whining, nagging, and second-guessing. I read "fanficrants" lj community and one of the biggest complaints there is writers who can not take constructive criticism gracefully. I was very pleased that I could honestly give concrit and have it taken well. I always find it a thrill to find that someone whose work I enjoy is also a very nice person. Back on-topic, like zan said, we enjoyed the work too and were happy to help out. I'm a nice person?...Nooooo! My beautiful image is ruined! (LOL) Nyah. I'm a bit up in the air about what I want to do with my life at this point. Writing is one thing I've thought about. Fanfiction has given me the opportunity to test out my skills at creating plots and situations while not breaking my brain trying to create an entire world or cast of characters and still get up at 5am to go to work everyday. Even if I don't pursue writing as a career, I'd like to better what talent I have in this area. Can't do that if I refuse to see the reader's pov on the things I write. I like the squeeling 'omg ur story rocks!' reviews alright. But I enjoy the ones that point out things I've missed and ooc-ness even more. If you can spot the problems and point them out, it helps me from making those same mistakes again later. ;D I'm just glad I haven't started a topic that deals with spelling and grammar problems. Those would be some giant mega posts. (L) But I am working on that. hehe. I'm just glad there are people out there willing to GIVE me honest concrit. It's hard to get with regular reviews on FFN. No one wants to hurt anyone else's feelings for fear the author will take a little concrit as a flame.
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Post by Milky Etoile on Aug 20, 2005 2:57:55 GMT -5
My account on this Message Board is about to be deleted so please forgive me for not logging in for a long time. I haven't been active for so long Anyway, I'd like to echo the statement that looking at it again, maybe at a different perspective would help. Although I liked the plot as it originally was, even with Homura there. I have to admit, I though it was a bit overwhelming with so much of the so-called 'villains' in Saiyuki making their own appearances. I hope you don't take this in an offensive but I think it would be quite better that you make sure YOU are satisfied, not just the reviewers. After all it is your story and if the reviewers don't want one thing to happen even if it's an important factor to the plot, let them complain! As much as suggestions for the story would be quite helpful at times, they can sometimes make things take a drastic turn if you take them. Sticking with your ideas would be better! It wouldn't be nice to have to sacrifice them just for the sake of others who want this and that to happen! No, that most certainly just won't do. But if the ideas would help make the story be as it is supposed to be, then I guess it's alright. Now, I don't seem to be making sense, am I? On the Homura part, I think VG Terra and Terra mentioned nice opinions on it. I think I don't need to say it all over again. Nataku WOULD still be a good addition to the story. On the whole AU thing too. No, you need not start from scratch! It didn't start with Homura already there after all, if you are going to take him out. Anyways, I think those who previously posted had already summed up everything I wanted to say. It would be quite redundant if I say them all over again. I hope my babbling wasn't much nonsense! Good luck with your writing too! And please remember, we're always here to back you up if you need anything! Talk to you soon then! Ja, mata ne! Take care! ~Milky Etoile ^.~ P.S. It's nice having your Saiyuki stories back on too! Hope you keep 'em up! Goku's First specifically. I find it ironic you posted First Grooming on my birthday, especially when I was feeling gloomy. It certainly cheered me up, even if you didn't know I was feeling down. Thanks! *huggles* ;D
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Post by Guardian of the Silver Tree on Aug 20, 2005 13:26:48 GMT -5
I loved 'Of A Place Long Ago'
If in you can get it back up, even if you change it, I believe it'll be pretty good. The story itself was very well done, with few mistakes and an interesting plot, I liked your way of thinking of Seiten Taisei, it was very creative. I hope you'll be happy with your editing, and you'll repost the story soon!
~Guadian of the Silver Tree
((I'm gonna add a quote just 'cause))
'Meow?' It's a strange thing, it happens in reload, when the Sanzo-ikkou found a kitten... and when it mewed, Goku kinda copied it. It was cute.
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Post by Languish-Dreams on Aug 20, 2005 16:34:57 GMT -5
*L* You weren't talking nonsense, Milky. I'm working on finishing up 'One Bad Week' and getting 'Just Another Love Song' plus 'Goku's Firsts' back up. In the meantime, work has me so time restricted that I haven't been able to sit down and try to sort through 'Of A Place Long Ago'. It might be quite awhile before I get a chance to really work on it. But I will get to it. *L* Guardian - Thank you. ^^ I hope I can get to it sooner than I'm thinking I will. I remember that episode of Reload. I think I have it on DVD somewhere around here.....But with the way my room looks right now, I'm not going to try to dig through and find it. *LOL*
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Post by Seiten on Aug 26, 2005 16:55:36 GMT -5
Languish-Dreams, I did in fact save the first chapter, so if you want it I'll post it up. That is, if you want. I hope you continue your writing, it's ssoooooo awesome!
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Post by Milky Etoile on Aug 27, 2005 9:05:16 GMT -5
Still not using my account Hehe...Glad to know I actually made sense! Somewhat... Yes, I have seen updates on my other email...When I do check that is ;D I'm restricted to only be able to go online every weekends. Although I think no one would be able to spot me on the internet this coming week, and the next. The interschool choir competition's already next Sunday, and I'm part of the one representing us! Ah well...Hopefully we'd at least have a place... Anyway, going back, there's no need to hurry! After all, you're not the only one who's busy, we've got what we have to do too! So in short, I think it's fine and dandy! Besides, everyone has patience. "Patience is a virtue that everybody has except they just don't know how to use it," quoting one of my friends. Hehe... Yeah, Goku's Firsts is still on my fave's list. First Boo-boo's just been posted, ne? It still amuses me everytime...By the way, if ever you'll need another sample for the First Curse Saiyuki Madlib, I've got loads...just tell me... Still, I'm on standby for my favorite on the ones set on earth, First Drabbles Part 2. Hehe...I found it quite amusing, especially with First Shot a.k.a Goku's Revenge. One of the best I must say! Although the First Talk was hilarious too...Although the thought of that kind of thing happening still makes me cringe... Then again, ALL of them are too hilarious to be true! ;D All the while, I'm still loyal to my beliefs that yours are the best Saiyuki fanfics there is! Not to mention, the funniest. Well, now, I'd hope to talk more but I've got limited time here...and I'm not liking it one bit... Ah well, I've got no way out of it so...I would really have to go. I hope to talk to you in a week or two!!! I'll be missing the internet! And I'll be missing you too!!! Hehe... Well, please do take care! And don't stress yourself too much on your work, LD-san! Ganbatte kudasai ne! Ja, mata! [glow=red,2,300] ~Milky Etoile ^.~[/glow]
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Post by Guardian of the Silver Tree on Aug 31, 2005 0:37:24 GMT -5
*L* You weren't talking nonsense, Milky. I'm working on finishing up 'One Bad Week' and getting 'Just Another Love Song' plus 'Goku's Firsts' back up. In the meantime, work has me so time restricted that I haven't been able to sit down and try to sort through 'Of A Place Long Ago'. It might be quite awhile before I get a chance to really work on it. But I will get to it. *L* Guardian - Thank you. ^^ I hope I can get to it sooner than I'm thinking I will. I remember that episode of Reload. I think I have it on DVD somewhere around here.....But with the way my room looks right now, I'm not going to try to dig through and find it. *LOL* You're welcome. Glad to hear your starting it, it's one of my favorite fics! Yeah, I think reload's funny, but they really have a lot of pointless ventures in it. I guess that's what makes it so amusing though. ;D ... I really should become a member on this thing. Lots easier than having to right my name whenever I wanna post in here. See ya when I see ya!
~Guardian of the Silver Tree
"Whether you turn into your hippy demon self or some other ugly monster, you'll never kill me, never ever. You got that monkey?" Gojyo says some of the most amusing things, don't you think?
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